By crossing several regions, you have also discovered cultures, traditions…
Martin: The path itself is steeped in history, the people involved in these different lands are very attached to it. Many of these entrepreneurs rely on traditions to start a business. They are very creative! As for example in Saugues, in Haute-Loire, where they have preserved the last washing of wool in France while developing a lambswool sector.
Thierry: Cultivating traditions is a major challenge. For example, the site The wild in Gévaudan (in Chanaleilles, in Haute-Loire) brings together a place of accommodation, catering and marketing of products by around thirty farmers from the canton of Saugues. This tourist spot is their most important point of sale.
The motivations are strong, but that does not however prevent the difficulties…
Terry: For some, talking about money seems taboo. However, the economic and financial part should not be considered as the fifth wheel of the carriage. On the contrary: if the activity does not grow, it runs to its loss. Formalizing the conditions for success is a huge challenge. Those who embark on a social and solidarity economy project tend to find it difficult to fit into broader dynamics than their primary objective.
Martin: This reluctance to talk about finances surprised me enormously. While each of them vigorously stated the reasons for their commitment, the economic dimension as such was often overlooked. However, structuring the activity is necessary, it is a necessary step to reinvest and expand.
Was this pilgrimage to Compostela also a journey of faith for you?
Martin: Traveling has allowed us to make deep encounters, during which all barriers come down. The proximity is much stronger than in our daily lives. On the way, there are no more social conventions: you immediately touch on intimacy and it’s very beautiful! There is a strong spiritual dimension. Our thoughts were anchored in what we were living in the present moment. Each time, we came back to the themes of love and death. At the very beginning of our journey, Brother Pierre-Adrien, hotelier in Conques, warned us: the path creates fertile ground for existential questions. He didn’t lie to us!
Terry: And the religious dimension of the path has something to do with it. Even if our journey did not directly concern faith, we wondered about the place of God and religion in our lives. Beyond the meetings, we also spent a lot of time together. If we did not discover anything surprising about each other, we were able to approach subjects in a different way: the long time offers this chance. It is important to repeat things. We each have our role: me, the father, Martin, the son, and even if that does not change, each has been able to get out of his status and what he projects on the other. The richness of such a relationship stems from a certain transcendence.
If Santiago de Compostela is a destination known all over the world, it has a special resonance for you…
Terry: We had undertaken, with my wife Jacqueline, to walk on the path with our four children, because it allowed to breathe life into a family project over several years. Walking allows you to move forward as a group while respecting everyone’s individual pace. An opportunity to transmit beautiful values! Our third child, Philippe, was autistic, and before his death in 2009, he had walked with us on the stretch of Nasbinals (Lozere) to Aubrac (Aveyron). Without having planned it, we hiked this stretch again on the anniversary of his death, August 28th. Our unconscious has undoubtedly worked, but one thing is certain: it has accompanied us all the way.
Martin: Philippe, like our whole family, is linked to this project. When he died, at 18, I was only 11 years old. I have always attached myself to love to give meaning to what happens to us and to the choices I make. As far back as I can remember, our family has always enjoyed walking. Our discussions during many walks have bonded us a lot. For me, walking remains inseparable from exchange. We leave a frame, the body walks with the spirit. Walking in the same direction makes it possible to share a movement, an energy, and it is extremely fruitful.
Last February, Martin, you were diagnosed with diabetes. This was also one of the triggers for the ESS 750 project. Did you doubt your physical abilities at times?
Martin: It was indeed a real challenge. I learned to better understand how the disease worked by confronting myself with effort and high heat. For example, I was able to reduce my insulin doses because physical activity compensated for them. On the first day, we climbed a steep climb to the Pèlerins reception center in Le Puy-en-Velay (Haute-Loire). Once there, I had my first hypoglycemia. And it turns out that the accommodation manager, Jean-Marie, is himself a diabetic. He had also made the journey to Saint-Jacques, and his testimony gave me confidence for the future. To reach the destination, we set an achievable goal every day. This is a good lesson for carrying out future projects. This made me think about the notion of commitment and the goals I want to give myself.
Terry: With my 62 years and diabetes diagnosed in Martin, our health was an essential point of vigilance. Attentive to each other, we regularly repeated that the goal was not sporting performance. Reach Saint-Jacques, yes, but by constantly adapting to our physical condition! And we did! Now, once back, I better measure the effort made, because I discover pain that I did not feel during the walk.
Their bio
May 20, 1960 Birth of Thierry in Marseilles (Bouches-du-Rhône).
1993 Thierry founded the association The key for autism. 21st of October
1998 Birth of Martin in Pontoise (Val-d’Oise).
2002 Creation by Thierry of the Innovation and social entrepreneurship chair at Essec.
August 2004 Martin sets out to walk with his family for the first time on the way to Santiago.
2001 Thierry is elected vice-president of the departmental council of Val-d’Oise.
2009 Death of Philippe, third child of the Sibieude siblings, suffering from autism.
2022 Thierry is retiring and Martin has a Master’s degree in Social and Solidarity Economy and Social Innovation from Sciences Po Bordeaux (Gironde). Launch of the ESS 750 project
Thierry and Martin Sibieude, back from Compostela: “Our march has…